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RACHEL MADDOW SKEWERS BILL O’REILLY FOR USING LOGICAL FALLACIES (FALSE ARGUMENTS), August 6, 2010 (3428 hits)

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IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE AWESOMENESS AND INTELLECTUAL RIGOR OF RACHEL MADDOW IN ACTION AND GET A TASTE OF WHY SHE IS ONE OF THE SMARTEST, MOST ASTUTE COMMENTATORS AROUND, CHECK OUT THIS CLIP.

Rachel begins by pointing out different ways a person can defend the point they are making without actually presenting evidence to support the claim.

One way is called ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM—avoiding the point by calling your opponent a nasty name. He or she must be wrong because he/she is a dirty rotten _______.

Another way is called ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM. This is avoiding the point by claiming that more people agree with your position so you must be right.

Both of these methods of argument are LOGICAL FALLACIES. They are not TRUE.

Rachel Maddow took on Bill O'Reilly again Friday night, responding to his syndicated column in which he called her a "far-left loon" and an "uber-leftist" and wrote that her claims about Fox News are presented "without a shred of evidence."

"This time the case against me is in his nationally-syndicated column, which I'm sure is read by millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people," Maddow said, mocking O'Reilly's over-reliance on TV ratings to dismiss arguments against him.

O'Reilly's column was specifically in response to Maddow's appearance with David Letterman earlier in the week, during which she called Fox News "slimeballs" and repeated her case that the network stokes white viewers' fears about black people.

O'Reilly called that claim a "preposterous...paranoid, dishonest rant" and wrote that Maddow presented it "without a shred of evidence."

Maddow called that assertion "stupid" and told O'Reilly, "you may not like that diagnosis of what Fox has been up to, but to say there's no evidence...that's bullpucky."

She then presented examples -- ranging from Shirley Sherrod to ACORN to Van Jones to O'Reilly literally saying that white people prefer smaller government while black people want the government to expand to redistribute wealth -- to back up her claim.

"Remember, Mr. O'Reilly says there is not a shred of evidence that Fox News hypes stories about scary black people taking white people's stuff," she said.

"I am not interested in playing cable news insult ping-pong with Mr. O'Reilly, but as much as he keeps insisting that I'm no one worth arguing with, that I'm an 'uber-leftist' -- he called me that in his column -- and a loon twice now, and a slightly larger percentage of 1% of the population watches his show than the proportion of 1% of the population that watches my show, for all he complains about how unimportant I am, my criticism that Fox News scares white people on purpose to politically benefit conservatives -- damn the consequences for the country -- that criticism appears to have struck a nerve over at Fox. It appears to have gotten under Mr. O'Reilly's skin."

She concluded. "Good."



Posted By: Richard Kigel
Sunday, August 8th 2010 at 3:23PM
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What makes this so cool is that we see these kinds of logical fallacies thrown at us all the time.

Even right here on this site!!!

So now if you see someone trying to argue the point by using one of these logical fallacies--calling you a nasty name or insiting that more people support him--you can tell him it is a load of...to use Rachel's favorite word: BULL PUCKY!!!


Sunday, August 8th 2010 at 3:26PM
Richard Kigel
Shark~plotation and Bull pucky is what O'Reilly is full of care of the nifty video editing tapes he depends on....
Sunday, August 8th 2010 at 9:02PM
Jen Fad
So right, Juice!!!




Sunday, August 8th 2010 at 9:32PM
Richard Kigel
This is so more of the machinery at work. While the public is arguing over the conservative state of FOX NEWS, w hat importsant business is being shoved down our throats?

Labeling idesa as conserative or liberl are catch words to inflame the public since liberalism is attached to Blacks and conservatism is attached to whites. Both are misused since Black people are more conservative than white people any day of the week.

Take money out of the equasion and then discuss the principles of both.



Thursday, August 12th 2010 at 11:34AM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Hi Thomasena--

Great ideas. But how can we get to the point where money and labeling are off the scene? Both are so deeply entrenched in the system--it would need major surgery.

Got any ideas?

Thursday, August 12th 2010 at 2:08PM
Richard Kigel
Hi Rich,

I am not sure how to eliminate money in a materialistic society. But I do believe that working with the youth to revise the value system could be a start. Somehow, we need to establish the idea that money won't buy everything. This goes back to the idea that "there are some thing that I won't do." Churches need to do a better job with the youth too.

Here again we are talking about family and family values. I know this sound very philosophical and maybe nothing concrete, but if we can narrow the problem to a specific step, maybe we can have a starting place. Again, I go back to education.

Teaching what the real game is and identifying methods of execution should be first. How many people know about the machinary in operation to creat diversion? I know we won't get everybody, but if we get 50 or 40% that would make a great impact.

Why not work on FOX ? Complaints got Imus and Jimmy the Greek.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 1:13AM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Hey Thomasena:

Great idea!

Complaints against Beck cost him sponsors.

If you go to www.mediamatters.com .They list the email and contact addresses of all the media execs and bigwigs. I have heard they take viewer responses seriously, especially if they come in waves.



Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 8:03PM
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